A Recent Interview on Refining Rhetoric with Robert Bortins

Last week, an interview on Refining Rhetoric was released in which I discussed the book and ministry with Robert Bortins, the CEO of Classical Conversations (https://classicalconversations.com). His podcast is described as follows:

Robert Bortins, CEO of Classical Conversations®, engages in insightful discussions with renowned thought leaders who are in the fight to save our faith, education, business, and culture. Throughout these conversations, Robert uses the fifteen tools of classical learning to challenge listeners to seek truth in every arena of life. Refining Rhetoric with Robert Bortins is a podcast produced by Classical Conversations. Catch new episodes every week.

Over the course of an hour we discussed the founding of Expository Parenting Ministries, along with several issues related to biblical discipleship in the home, described in the show notes as follows:

What if the secret to raising spiritually mature kids isn't found in the latest parenting book, but in letting Scripture do the heavy lifting? Robert interviews Josh Niemi, founder of Expository Parenting Ministries, about his unique approach to Christian parenting that mirrors expository preaching—teaching children the Bible verse by verse in systematic discipleship. Josh shares how to start with storybook Bibles for younger children before transitioning to verse-by-verse study, the importance of partnering with expositional churches, and how this method builds solid theological foundations without common evangelical misconceptions. He offers practical insights from teaching his own three children through the entire Old Testament and discusses children's surprising capacity for understanding deep theology. The conversation also covers his book "Greater Than Aaron," exploring how Christ fulfills the Old Testament priesthood.

Robert was an excellent host, and I appreciated the opportunity to talk with him. His podcast regularly brings in high-caliber guests (I was a rare exception!), so I heartily commend it to you.

Listen below:

You can also find the audio for the show here: https://refiningrhetoric.com/2025/07/02/why-80-of-church-kids-walk-away-and-how-expository-parenting-helps

You can find the rest of the podcast here: https://refiningrhetoric.com

You can follow Robert on X/Twitter here: https://x.com/TheRobertBshow